# Persian Positions Tips for new Sparta players in sparta war of empires

# Persian Positions Tips

### By Aaron Janusz

**CAUTION** The information and calculations below contain estimates and assumptions based on experiences with hundreds of Persian Positions. They will provide a very good estimate, but are just that, estimates.

All of the information above will give you a general idea of how to scout and attack or defend the Persian Positions and minimize troop loss. With some additional information and some more detailed calculations you can fine tune your analysis and come up with a very good estimate of exactly how many of a specific troop type is required to defeat a Position. There are tables and spreadsheets available that can be used to assist with this effort, but we will now discuss the principles behind the calculations.

The table below has been compiled from the results of numerous battles with the Persians. It is valid for both Defensive and Offensive Positions and is the total offensive strength of the Persians for Defensive Positions and the average defensive strength of the Persians for Offensive Positions. This is not the strength required to defeat a Position.

As discussed above, the strength required to defeat the Position will depend on the mix of Persian units and what units you send. Note that these are average values and the actual Persian strength may vary up or down a couple of percentage points.

## Average Persian Strength by Level |
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Position Level | Avg Strength | Position Level | Avg Strength | Position Level | Avg Strength | Position Level | Avg Strength | Position Level | Avg Strength |

1 | 80 | 26 | 20,000 | 51 | 170,700 | 76 | 612,400 | 101 | 1,496,000 |

2 | 100 | 27 | 22,600 | 52 | 178,400 | 77 | 636,600 | 102 | 1,551,000 |

3 | 150 | 28 | 25,000 | 53 | 188,000 | 78 | 656,000 | 103 | 1,594,000 |

4 | 180 | 29 | 28,100 | 54 | 203,000 | 79 | 685,600 | 104 | 1,672,000 |

5 | 220 | 30 | 30,900 | 55 | 216,000 | 80 | 717,600 | 105 | 1,689,000 |

6 | 300 | 31 | 34,000 | 56 | 228,000 | 81 | 749,100 | 106 | 1,780,000 |

7 | 500 | 32 | 38,000 | 57 | 243,000 | 82 | 773,500 | 107 | 1,816,000 |

8 | 700 | 33 | 42,800 | 58 | 553,900 | 83 | 801,600 | 108 | 1,878,000 |

9 | 1,000 | 34 | 46,300 | 59 | 270,800 | 84 | 825,000 | 109 | 1,948,000 |

10 | 1,200 | 35 | 52,000 | 60 | 284,400 | 85 | 877,800 | 110 | 2,006,000 |

11 | 1,400 | 36 | 56,500 | 61 | 297,900 | 86 | 897,200 | 111 | 2,042,000 |

12 | 2,000 | 37 | 61,000 | 62 | 313,600 | 87 | 927,700 | 112 | 2,109,000 |

13 | 2,400 | 38 | 66,000 | 63 | 331,600 | 88 | 976,300 | 113 | 2,164,000 |

14 | 3,000 | 39 | 72,000 | 64 | 347,200 | 89 | 1,007,000 | 114 | 2,216,000 |

15 | 3,600 | 40 | 78,000 | 65 | 369,200 | 90 | 1,036,000 | 115 | 2,323,000 |

16 | 4,200 | 41 | 84,800 | 66 | 392,000 | 91 | 1,067,000 | 116 | 2,380,000 |

17 | 4,800 | 42 | 89,800 | 67 | 411,100 | 92 | 1,101,000 | 117 | 2,404,000 |

18 | 6,000 | 43 | 100,000 | 68 | 423,900 | 93 | 1,154,000 | 118 | 2,491,000 |

19 | 7,500 | 44 | 105,000 | 69 | 445,400 | 94 | 1,217,000 | 119 | 2,564,000 |

20 | 8,700 | 45 | 114,200 | 70 | 462,300 | 95 | 1,257,000 | 120 | 2,604,000 |

21 | 10,100 | 46 | 122,300 | 71 | 497,500 | 96 | 1,280,000 | 121 | 2,684,000 |

22 | 11,600 | 47 | 130,500 | 72 | 508,700 | 97 | 1,336,000 | 122 | 2,754,000 |

23 | 13,600 | 48 | 139,600 | 73 | 537,000 | 98 | 1,358,000 | 123 | 2,851,000 |

24 | 15,600 | 49 | 151,300 | 74 | 551,600 | 99 | 1,380,000 | 124 | 2,929,000 |

25 | 17,500 | 50 | 159,100 | 75 | 579,800 | 100 | 1,472,000 | 125 | 3,007,000 |

## Offensive Positions

While a scouting report from an Offensive Position will provide a very good idea of the relative strength of the Persians additional information is required for more specific calculations. Using the average strength of the Persians in the Position, we will be able to calculate an estimate remaining Persian strength by class.

Using the scouting report above from the level 57 Offensive Position and the information in the Average Persian Strength by Level table the calculations look like this. Here is what we know:

Average Persian strength of a level 57 Position equals 243,000.

Average Persian strength killed in the scouting mission equals 840.

The ratio of these two numbers is also the ratio of the number of Persian units killed to the total number of Persian units per class. So we can now calculate the estimated number of original Persian units at the Position, an estimated number of Persian units remaining, and an estimated remaining strength per unit class.

## Calculations

840 (scouting mission strength) / 243,000 (estimated total strength) = 0.00346 (ratio of units killed per class to the total present)

Using this ratio and the numbers from the scouting report we can calculate the estimated number of total Persians and the estimated number of Persians remaining.

Cavalry – (2 killed in scouting mission / 0.00346) = 578 (total present) – 2 (cavalry killed) = 576 estimated remaining cavalry

Light Infantry – (3 killed / 0.00346) = 867 – 3 = 864 estimated remaining light infantry

Heavy Infantry – (1 killed / 0.00346) = 289 – 1 = 288 estimated remaining heavy infantry

Phalanx – (5 killed / 0.00346) = 1,445 – 5 = 1,440 estimated remaining phalanx

We can now calculate an estimated remaining Persian strength

## Persian Defensive Strength |
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Unit | Units | L Inf | H Inf | Phalanx | Cavalry | Avg Defense |

Asvaran (Cavalry) | 576 | 46080 | 46080 | 46080 | 138240 | 69120 |

Dailamite (Light Infantry) | 864 | 51840 | 17280 | 17280 | 17280 | 25920 |

Archer (Heavy Infantry) | 288 | 11520 | 34560 | 11520 | 11520 | 17280 |

Immortal (Phalanx) | 1440 | 86400 | 86400 | 259200 | 86400 | 129600 |

Total |
195840 |
184320 |
334080 |
253440 |
241920 |

The estimated remaining Persian defensive strength per unit class is now summed at the bottom of the table. If we only send heavy infantry at this Position it will take approximately 184,000 in offensive strength. If we only send phalanx at this Position it will take approximately 334,000 in offensive strength. Remember these are just estimates. We used an average Persian strength and only a small sample size from our scouting report.

If you want better information you could send a second, larger scouting force of heavy infantry; add those numbers killed to the numbers from the first scouting mission; and recalculate a new estimated remaining strength.

It is not efficient to manually calculate these numbers every time. There are spreadsheets that have been developed that easily perform the calculations or you can develop your own spreadsheet using the above methodology. If you don’t want to calculate anything at all, you can just use the average strength spreadsheet and know that if you attack their strength you will need to send more than the average and if you attack their weakness you will need to send less than the average.

## Persian Positions Tips on Defensive

As mentioned previously, the efficiencies that can be gained from Defensive Positions are not as drastic as from Offensive Positions, but unit loss can be minimized with some additional calculations. Through trial and error the following formula has been developed as a method for estimating the actual average defensive strength of a defensive unit when facing a known Persian force. This calculation will need to be performed for each of your individual units since each unit has a different defensive strength against each unit class.

The first step is to calculate the ratio of the Persian attacking strength for each unit class to the total Persian attacking strength. For the example scouting report above this calculation looks like this.

Persian Offense |
Units | Offense | Percentage |

Asvaran (Cavalry) | 1316 | 105280 | 31.4% |

Dailamite (Light Infantry) | 5276 | 105520 | 31.4% |

Archer (Heavy Infantry) | 1419 | 56760 | 16.9% |

Immortal (Phalanx) | 1134 | 68040 | 20.3% |

Total | 9145 | 335600 | 100.0% |

The percentage for each class is then multiplied by the defensive strength for each unit class for each individual troop type. Using the base stats for M Peltast, the calculation would look like this.

Mounted Peltast | |||

Persian Offense |
Persian Percentage | Base Stats | Adjusted
Stats |

Asvaran (Cavalry) | 31.4% | 725 | 227.4 |

Dailamite (Light Infantry) | 31.4% | 400 | 125.8 |

Archer (Heavy Infantry) | 16.9% | 500 | 84.6 |

Immortal (Phalanx) | 20.3% | 725 | 147.0 |

Total | 100.0% | 587.5 (Avg) | 584.8 |

Based on this calculation, the M Peltast is slightly less efficient in the Position – would defend with a strength of 584.8 versus the base average of 587.5. With a Persian offensive strength of 335,600, it should take approximately (335,600 / 584.5) = 575 M Peltast to defeat this Position.

You can complete the same calculation for each of your defensive units to calculate an estimate of how many of each unit it will take to defeat the Position. This is a lot of calculating. Again, you can create your own spreadsheet to perform the calculations or there are spreadsheets available for use.

*This article was written by *Aaron Janusz*, who granted permission for it to be posted on Plarium.com. Any thoughts or views expressed herein are the player’s own, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Plarium Global.*

9:59 pm

This is great information on fighting the Persian positions but I think the title needs to be changed as it has nothing to do with City Building Tips for New Sparta players. 🙂

12:25 pm

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